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The Economy / Re: Have you lost your job? How are you surviving?
« on: January 08, 2010, 09:31:23 PM »
One reason that so many engineers are out of work and for longer periods than in the past is that there are so many more of them in the work force.  The ironic thing about education is that the more people have access to it, the less value it has.  Having a BS or MS in any engineering field is not exactly a rarity anywhere.  Engineers are almost on the way to becoming cheaper by the dozen.   I am fed up with the seemingly eternal battle for survival, where losing a job means a year or two years out of work.  I did not go to university for four years to get an expensive hobby, but that is what is happening.  Based on what I have experienced in 30 years, I would never touch engineering and would also stay away from university as well.  A more hands-on career such as plumbing, HVAC or locksmithing would have worked out better for me.  Now it is too late, I wish I had dropped out of engineering before I graduated.   It is simply not worth the effort I put into it. 

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Fundamentals of Engineering Exam (EIT) / Value of EIT certificate
« on: November 17, 2009, 05:02:07 PM »
I passed my Fundamentals of Engineering exam in April 1981 and received my certificate from the State of Indiana.  Not once in the past 28 years has any interviewer brought up or said anything about this.  The real value of it is to the person who passes the exam, as a matter of pride and achievement, but in no way will it affect or influence your ability to get a job.   All it proves is that you can pass a fundamentals of engineering exam at that time, and nothing else. 

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General Discussions / Re: What will happen in 2012
« on: November 16, 2009, 01:44:27 PM »
The only thing that will happen other than another Olympics is another U.S. Federal election that will return to office either Obama or some other no-name who supports the status quo of giving away jobs to the Third World and sovereignty to the World Bank and United Nations while continuing to bankrupt the United States through unlimited military spending and more wars.   Remember the Orwellian doctrine of "perpetual wars to achieve perpetual peace" will be followed forever by both political parties.

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General Discussions / Recessions
« on: November 14, 2009, 09:57:39 PM »
Most people already know that the current downturn is the worst since the Great Depression.  However, it should be noted that every recession since the 1970s has been progressively worse than the one before it, leading to the conclusion that we are eventually going into a Greatest Depression sometime in the future.  No one can tell precisely when that will happen, but if recent history is a guide, probably within the next 12-15 years.  Be prepared now.  Be able to grow your own food if needed.  Anyone who says a Depression is impossible has been deceived by the corporate media which is feeding us a placebo to make us think everything will turn out OK.  Don't believe everything printed in a newspaper.  Most are controlled by conglomerates headed by people who are friends of the Washington Establishment.

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The school you graduated from makes no difference at all unless the people involved in the hiring process went to that school!  Then you have an edge even over those applicants who went to a higher ranked school.  No one likes to admit the fact that it isn't WHAT you know or WHAT you can do, it's WHO you know and WHO knows YOU that makes the biggest difference by far in getting a job.  All the great vaunted degrees, certificates and boring courses taken amount to squat if no one knows you at the place you apply for work. 

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Educational / Re: Masters in Engineering or MBA?
« on: November 14, 2009, 06:13:50 PM »
My opinion is that anyone who desires an MBA soon after graduating in engineering would have been better off graduating in business instead.  That  being said, getting a position that requires an MBA means it is also probably a position where you are more likely to get quickly fired from because it has to do with profits and losses, increasing shareholder equity and many things that an engineer is not responsible for.  If you like being the scapegoat and being under constant pressure to make financial results, by all means get an MBA. 

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The Economy / Re: Have you lost your job? How are you surviving?
« on: November 14, 2009, 03:17:13 PM »
My job ended in late August and I knew that was coming for 13 months, yet have not been able to get even an interview (other than a few phone interviews) in that time.  Something to do with age (53) I'm sure, plus the post-financial meltdown that is still being felt around the globe.  Not to worry, I don't care if my engineering career is all over, I will simply carry on as a bartender/shuttle bus driver or that type of job.  I only have 12 years to go before retirement so it's not essential that I continue in a career that doesn't need me anymore.  I will not beg for a job, I'm above that, so if nothing comes my way, so be it.

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Probably no pay raise at all until it's time for the annual review and it will be taken into account at that time.  In my case, I was expected to become a Licensed Professional Engineer within two years of starting at my most recent job, and there was no pay increase when it came.

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